Reclaiming "alternative": can we ditch "indie" yet?

When I was in high school--in Death Cab for Cutie terms, this was around the release of We Have the Facts and We’re Voting Yes--I would debate how, exactly, to explain my musical tastes to an outsider. “Punk” would be taken as “mallpunk,” so that was out of the question, and “indie” specifically connoted the bland, simpering stuff they played on the university radio station, bypassing the cathartic, intense music I loved. I settled on “independent music,” which was vague enough to need clarification, which I was only too happy to give.

 

But then there was indie rock’s gradual creep-up on the mainstream, culminating with Garden State and The OC and Arcade Fire topping the Billboard chart last year. And along with it, innumerable debates about whether the term has any descriptive power--what’s the point of calling a band indie if they’re on Atlantic (or an Atlantic subsidiary, like Vice)?

 

Although it’s not as savage as the Jonathan Swift essay it shares its title with, Michelangelo Matos’ recent Idolator piece implores readers to reclaim “alternative” as an, uh, alternative to “indie.” And, hey, he knows it’s asking a lot for us to use the term when alternative rock and post-grunge dominates the modern rock radio format, but then again:

The thing is, "indie" isn't working anymore. If anything, it has more specific and limiting baggage than "alternative." Sure, you can ask how music that's supposed to be an alternative to the mainstream keeps that status once it goes mainstream, but calling something on a major label "indie" is some fourth-level-of-hell stage of kidding yourself, in a far more concrete way.

So, how about it? Can we do a test run here on Prefix? Or does the thought of lumping your new fave blog buzz band in with, like, Buffalo Tom really raise your hackles? [Idolator]

Posted in: INDIE

12 Responses

August 27, 2008 at 9:13 p.m.

good article.
i absolutely agree. indie now days is an absolute fallacy.

August 27, 2008 at 9:45 p.m.

Good piece, I’ve noticed the term “indie” has lost its meaning or died over the years with the help of Zach Braff, The O.C, and yes even iTunes. So yes, I think dropping the term “indie” and going back to alternative makes sense. You’re right most “indie” bands aren’t even “indie” it’s like a selling tool like with “punk” or “emo”.

August 27, 2008 at 10:12 p.m.

I'm fine with sticking with using the term "indie" in the context of music to independent labels only. What we'll do with "indie culture" is another story. Be wary of "alternative," however, as the term was largely concocted by major labels in the early '90s to apply to a bland corporate term in the same way "New Wave" did a decade earlier. All the veterans of the 80s indie scene—the last time indie rock, indie culture and indie labels were all truly aligned—hated the term "alternative."

August 27, 2008 at 10:33 p.m.

I think this is interesting as a thought experiment--just backing up and replacing 'indie' with 'alternative' the next time you're trying to describe a band, and seeing if, on the level of denotation rather than connotation, it still fits. My feeling is that the semantics of 'indie' aren't really that much more accurate than 'alternative'--independent from what, or alternative to what? There's plenty of music on independent labels that responds to corporate expectations, just as 'alternative' is the hegemonic form of rock music.

August 27, 2008 at 10:47 p.m.

I disagree. In fact, it's a silly, pretentious argument. Does it sound good? Does it get you off, speak some truth to you? Then stop trying to put it in a the-music-I-listen-to-is-cooler-than-the-music-you-listen-to catergory. Why does all this labelling and catergorizing matter?

If, for example, the band Cream were to release Disraeli Gears today, how would it be labelled? Would it be dismissed by the cool kids because it's not indie or alternative, and heaven forbid, get played on the radio.

So let's all stop being so uptight about it. Just listen to what you dig, and don't worry about the rest.

August 28, 2008 at 12:08 a.m.

Both "indie" and "alternative" fail because they don't work as rational generic markers. One second they are supposed to describe a sound; the next, they describe what kind of label a band's on; the next, and even worse, a hairstyle or a lifestyle or some ill-defined "way of being." If you want to describe the music you like, just describe it. I say there's plenty of ways to do that without simply relegating it to the "indie" or "alternative" category. I agree with Idolator that "indie" doesn't work anymore, but certainly returning to "alternative" isn't the way out. Especially considering it's still the radio name for post post grunge of the worst kind...

Punk, Metal, Grunge, Psychedelic, Ghettotech, etc. ...these kind of names actually denote a sound (sort of). "Indie" is just a postmodern blob that we can get rid of by being more specific. Maybe.

August 28, 2008 at 12:27 a.m.

buffalo tom is great.

August 28, 2008 at 4:10 a.m.

"Indie" is dead. The same way "emo" and "hipster" have totally changed meanings. I don't think "alternative" works either though. Think we need to come up with a completely new term.

August 28, 2008 at 3:10 p.m.

your Idolator link is effed.

August 28, 2008 at 3:12 p.m.

Crap.
Fixed dude. Thanks for the heads up!

September 16, 2008 at 5:05 p.m.

What's in a label/name? Punk,indie,alternative,classic rock? What ever happen to calling it what it is? They all are the roots of good old kick ass rock n roll! Call it like it is.

September 16, 2008 at 6:21 p.m.

a return to alternative? Like the Cure, Jesus and Mary Chain, Mission U.K., the Smiths and of course R.E.M.?

am i the only one who remembers when kids at school's older sisters were into "alternative" before nirvana happened?

i'm not saying this was preferrable. i'm just saying that 1) i feel old and 2) those older sisters were so mysterious.

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