Last night's Law & Order episode outraged the juggalo scene in its exploitation of the subculture. The episode is about the murder of a family,and it's based on real allegations that Richard "Syko Sam" McCroskey, a horrorcore artist, beat four family members to death last September in Virginia.
One of character calls the Insane Clown Posse fan scene a gang of "horrorcore rap psychos" whose music is "all about how they hate everybody -- and what they're going to do about it."
Rapper KidCrusher didn't know before agreeing to have his music included. He blogged on MySpace today:
I am pretty pissed off to hear they based the episode on Juggalos and try to make us all look like criminals and real serial killers (and think we would kill kids?!). They never told me the full details on the episode before I signed the contract for the release of my music video ... I had a feeling they were gonna bag on me, i didn't really care
but juggalos.... man thats like talkin about my mamma
Writes a commenter on the New York Times article about the episode,
The Juggalo response has been intensely hypocritical. They can paint morbid scenes as an extension of their own art, but mainstream fictional dramas aren't allowed to go there? That's nonsense. Face it: L&O bested the Juggalos at their own game.
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note to every juggalo out there:
1998 is over... so is highschool... nobody thinks juggalos are cool at all... it's been my impression that if you're overweight, unemployed, poorly groomed and have one or more addictions you probably qualify as a juggalo. all you need to do is make yourself look like a complete idiot by having your white trash girlfriend paint your face. there are alot of awful subcultures in the world but juggalos take the cake forever.... take off your retarded JNCO's too...
Dustin
Hey, Juggadouche- You all ARE serial killers. Listen to your own lyrics, asswipe. So is your mamma. Get a job, contribute to society, you'll learn some self respect and how to NOT think/write about murdering people . . . and then you won't have to complain when you're nailed for hypocrisy.
Ed
screw law and order!!! we'd never lay a hand on damn kids!!!!
juggalo4lyfe
Last I checked I contributed to society by having a job and am in college to get a Bachelors on Graphic Design. Yes, a good amount of the family is as you described. But before you have fun bunching us all up together and try to "label" every one as trashy and stuff...think before you speak. Not every one is the same and never will be.
Lette
to all the juggalos out there being a juggalo is ignoring haters dont pay attention they get off on trying to be cool by dissing us we are none of there concern they are none of ours so to my juggalo fam: ignore the low life haters, to the haters: find something else to get off on
juggalo bro
Just kidding. Actually, think before you WRITE! And to think I'm in college. Anyway, you are correct- we are all easily labeled as trashy, because the lyrics of ALL of these bands are about murder, abortions, robbery, battery, and random mayhem. And when/if I get out of school, I'm going to put my education to use printing up t-shirts that say just that! Take that, society!
Lette
Keep going, Juggalos! I love all of you! I love punching your stupid teeth out on the sidewalk when I see you walk by with your stupid clown faces painted on. There's nothing like blood, enamel, and stupid clown paint smeared across my knuckles to make me smile. Hell, I should right songs about how I beat the crap out of you losers and maim you, ruining your make up and stupid smiles. Songs about battery. Oh, wait. You a-holes already do that. Get a life and clear out of BK on Friday nights. Some of us want to eat and NOT hear you playing D&D. You're all wannabe losers. Find Jesus and score some pussy.
Clownkilla
Hm... I think all the people here dissing Juggalos are very very ignorant. I have a career, I have graduated high school, I shower every day and I am FAR from white trash. To make an acusation like that is down right ignorant. That is like saying all black people eat fried chicken and drink O.E. and own guns. Nice try. By the way Dustin, we don't care if you think we are cool or not. We are not living our lives to make other people happy and we are certainly not looking for acceptance from your dumb ass. Music is a way to express your self. Not everything in these songs are true obviously. If someone juggalo or not is going to think that everything Violent J and Shaggy 2 dope or any other pychopathic artist says in their music is true then they are mistaken. If a juggalo kills someone it does NOT mean we are all like that. They would have killed the person weather they were a juggalo or not. None of us put a gun to their head and said hey if you wanna be like us you gotta murder this guy. Everyone seems very ignorant when it comes to the subject of Juggalos. Not every Juggalo is a murderer just like not every murderer is a Juggalo. You all need to get your facts straight, before you open your mouth and critisize. You are no better than any of us. Weather you want to believe that or not it's the truth.
Mel
Y'all get that? Let me make myself a little more clear. Don't be ignant like me. See, I graduated high school and went on to a very successful career working at Footlocker. You need to get yo facts scraight before dissin' on all us, ya know what I mean? See how I "talk" like a moron? I am. I'm one of the few Juggadouches that even got out of high school. I'm a Juggadouche 4 lyfe y'all. Saying we is all killas is like saying colored rappers eat chicken, rob, and kill. Or that people who listen to show tunes is gay. Wait a minute. Okay, so even my own stupid logic don't work no more. Maybe I shoulda gone to collage instead of being a Juggadouche? Hell, I don't know. Screw all y'all for being ignant, though.
Mel
fk law & order.....y do people hate........fk everyone!! whoop whoop....im gonna go smoke a blunt....dont care what people think of me...thats the whole point jack asses
Alley Rat
We not all seriel killers. I have had same job for over a year and involved in many community based things. And I work a hard job nothing like flipping burgers. I am a nurse on a Alzheimers ward. I am not judgemental towards anyone. It is not for me to judge you or you to judge me please leave that up to God when we get there. I never said you have to like all of us but don't judge a group of people by one person's mistake. I would never hurt anyone. And not all juggalos paint their faces. So please dont sterotype us. We good people that like to have fun and follow our own paths.
bluedragonjuggeltte
Actually i would have to agree with mel on quite a few things. I am currently working as an electrician to pay my way through culinary arts school. i went to school every day, graduated high school with a 3.5 GPA. when most people look at me they see the truly sophisticated person that I am and then they see the hatchet man i have tattooed on my left calf and the wraith i have tattooed on the other. I will say that some actually many juggalos do often commit acts of serious stupidity, but that still should not give everyone enough reason to label us all as "scum". And as far as ClownKillas "find jesus"comment goes, my reply to that is i have grown up in a baptist church i attend church every possible chance I get. I have found jesus.
R.L.
what the hell it is a tv show which i like a real form in entertainment unlike dressin up like it is halloween every damn day and i think that way of life is a childish and have u ever listened to the music it is full of hate and what they think of women and killin it is not a good idea in my book all i can say it grow up
brighteyes43071
All of you who hate on us are only doing one thing, and that's validating the juggalos. How can you hate on a subculture who accepts anybody in as long as their accepting people themselves? How do you have it within yourselves to have so much close minded bias towards a group of people who practice love and belonging toward one another? Oh yeah thats right, its because you're all racists, and biggots, and very ignorant by choice. You only know how to decipher what is put immediately in front of your face. So keep hating because in your opinion someone is "white trash". It's just going to make us juggalos more tight knit, and is gonna give you a one way ticket to hell.
juggalotus&uknowthis
Every Juggalo I have ever had the displeasure of knowing was a mindless, alcoholic, drug addicted, oil painted retard who has either never or barely managed to graduate from high school, couldn't hold a job to save their life and lives off the government and welfare. Every- single- one. Without fail. And I've gotten to know a lot in my life. They also tend to be a very unfriendly bunch who cannot stand the educated among them and though they like to profess love and acceptance, will fly off the handle at even the slightest hint that someone doesn't have complete love for their type of cRAP music and start screaming about how they are going to kill you for it.
Makes about as much sense as an extremist Muslim saying they want you beheaded for drawing a cartoon and then turning around saying they didn't mean it literally. If you don't mean it, don't preach it.
And seriously, have you listened to the music? I have. And at one point and time in my life I was actually able to convince myself at one point and time that I liked it. I also managed to convince myself that the world hated me and wanted nothing more than to drag me down. So I tried to find a 'family' in there. Didn't work. I was still considered to be the same old freak and didn't know why. Then I got out of high school and found out that there were better things out there, and I realized that my parents care and I already had a family at home. And while the world still doesn't, I was eventually able to find out why. I'm autistic and the world just plain doesn't like autism. And you know what? That's great. I'm happier being autistic than I ever could have been a trashy fan of that crappy band.
Also, a note to Juggalotus - You are apparently using words too big for you to understand. To define it so you fully comprehend, race is the term used when referring to someones ethnicity. African is a race. Hispanic is a race. Caucasian and Asian are races. Juggalo is a SUBCULTURE. You can't be racist against a subculture. So before you go spouting off nonsense, please check yourself because you might just end up making yourself out to be the fool.
Cam
No matter what people thinks about juggalos, the fact of the matter is that i am a hard working factory man; husband, father, best friend, and dog lover. am i am prob one of the biggest juggalos that your will ever meet, i love my facepaint and the anomosity that comes with it. i love my fam, and i love the freedom that come with being a US citizen; but i HATE all of your up tight, wanna be know it all, jag offs, that are holyier than thou that think you know something about my life. MCL --2 Violent
2 Violent
The episode might sound like it's stereotyping, but a girl and her friend and her friend's family was MURDERED by one of these a$$holes. Syko Sam is a murderer and the crimes committed in Farmville is what this episode is based off of. If you're upset, be mad because this adds insult to injury to the victims and their families, it's demeaning.
FriendofThem
Wasn't this episode based on the true story of an avid ICP fan "Juggalo" whom went on a murderous vendetta against people that felt the lifestyle of Juggalo's to be adverse to anything short of progressive in society AKA "Haters"???
I must be mistaken, that is just silly.
Logic
All you haters have NO right to diss on The Fam, we leave you alone so leave us alone!!!!! F**k off and stop dissin.
Syko CJ
We'll leave you alone if you guys stop smoking meth. And murdering us.
yo leave us all alone we are not murders we have an education im i n school right now so suck a nut you hoes who think we kill people
juggapride
juggafags iz haterz. lolwat
JB
You little white trash juggalos are a disgrace to hip hop. Please stop disrespecting the music that you supposibly represent.
Real Hip Hop
OK for every one saying that juggalos are mindless, uneducated people that do not contribute to society you are widely mistaken. I have listened to ICP, Twiztid, Blaze , and others for years. my career right now is an enlisted military member working to become an officer in the air force and I most certainly am not the only one there are several juggalos in the military, on the base I am currently stationed on and to the places I have gone to as well. Plenty of juggalos are well educated and contributers to society in general. So before you start stereotyping and prejudicially casting us; look at yourself and those around you ask what makes you so different from me, my friends, my own flesh and blood, and my family underground.
lotuslove
You can go ahead and stereotype us....the lyrics are not all about hate, just listen to some songs on The Wraith album and Milenko. The fact is, that many Juggalos come from trashy backgrounds because their stressful family and school lives cause them to seek aggressive lyrics to vent their frustration - it's better to do that than to let out your anger with actual violence.....and if you disagree, then YOU are uneducated and people like you cause the wars in this world. I've had a difficult time in school, now I am 17 years old and I am a junior in High School. I am a Juggalo and I have been for since 7th grade. You know nothing about our feelings and why our music is so important to us. It's a religion that has developed over two decades now. Judge us, we are happily listening :)
Shikhar Mishra
What's most disturbing about the "juggalo" subculture is not the lyrics or their appearance, it's the honest to goodness cult they've created for themselves. Newsflash, ICP are not prophets. They, like L. Ron Hubbard, are just taking advantage of people with low self esteem to generate massive profits. For a supposedly "underground" group they're almost bigger sellouts than KISS when it comes to the amount of cheap merchandise they pump out. Their music reinforces aspects of persecution and inferiority complexes so their fans further regress from society, depending on "the family" more and more. And just like Scientologists, Juggalos balk at any form of criticism like it's a personal attack. News flash, if you insist on wearing clown makeup and listen to music with such fine lyrics as "my axe is my buddy, I never leave without him me and my axe will leave your neck a bloody fountain" what do you freaking expect? You've made your bed, lay in it.
AgnosticTemplar
Hello all. I've been a juggalo since milenko served in two wars forthe u.s. Navy, am an independant rapper and currently have a career teaching english in Asia paying 50,000 a year, legitimately.
What people from both sides fail to realize about this matter is that this is all entertainment.
Horrorcore in itself is like all music is, a form of expression. True, an artist would be more highly acclaimed to paint pictures of self experiences... But watch a movie or read a book, not all forms of entertainment are based on facts. :) what would the world be like if every one read only romance novels? Listened to only country music? Only watched wild western movies?
Validating the point to adhere to the law and order episode... Media has and forever will poke at real events in attempts to coincide with the mass population's beliefs, worries, interests and above all .... Fear. Look at the terrible 9 11 event... And I think it was season 3 or 4 of the popular show 24... Who was the enemy? The Arabs!!!!! Watch Rambo 3 (I think, maybe 4) afghans were an awesome American ally. While not all Arabs are ak toting terrorists and anyone of islamic belief are suicide bombers strapped with vest explosives screaming lalallallalala!; the media has and forever coincided with current events... Why? Because it sells. Period.
It only takes one event in the world from any culture, subculture, or even music genre to subjugate the remaining supporters/representatives to a demeaning label for a certain period of time.
While not all juggalos are axe wielding moon howlers... Lol.. All it took was 1 ignorant man... Just 1, to introduce the rest's lives to a misunderstood level of torment.
JuggaliZm (????) was already frowned upon heavily because of people misunderstanding music that was not made for them. However, we as Americans are entitled to
freedom of speech, so if some one wants to make a song about breast feeding... There will be supporters and those who oppose it.... Always.
Law and order did what any successful media franchise would do, capitalize on exploiting current events... And they did a damned good job.
Horrorcore people will still make music and media outlets will always do proven methods to maintain high ratings.
Juggalo haters: listen to something else... There is a plethora of music in the world and I only hope that you find something that satisfies your appetite of interest..
Juggalos: watch something else .... there is a plethora..... Well I'm not going to repeat myself, u already know...
Let's just hope Garth Brooks doesn't appear on an episode of " how to catch a predator"..... Hahaha that would be an excellent episode of law and order, or maybe even appear on Dexter.
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And get most of it for free at
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Have a great day.
T.y.T.
@ Clownkilla. Please do not put D&D players in the same category as Juggalos. D&D players are at least proficient in English and mathematics.
Me hate 'da Juggalo! Raaaagh! Me smash dat stupid clownyface wid' muh war axe. Raaaaaagh! Dah hatchetman no wanna mess wid' muh war axe! We orc raid dah trollkin village an' dah elfpeople village an' now we gonna put dah big raid on dah village idiots of dah village of idiots. Me gonna smack dah face-cum offa fat Juggalo man an' den roast his gutmeat!
Scary orc creature
Seriously? WTF?? I don't understand how people can discriminate against anyone because they have a different point of view. I may be a juggalette, but I am working to get an education. I am making something of my life, creating my future. Who in the hell do you think you are to call us out and call us serial killers? Um last time I checked, I've never killed anyone and I'm pretty sure that yeah maybe there have been a few juggalos or juggalettes they may have done some f*cked up sh*t, but everyone makes mistakes and not everyone that follows the Dark Carnial should be included in that sh8t. So why not get a real life and stop picking on people that are different from you? Much Clown Love
Megz
Ya' all keep hatin' on Juggalos, and we will see who gets the last laugh; cuz we are more united, more strong, more powerful than any other organization around.....and we aren't even organized. Just think of how stupid and ignorant you haters will all feel when we do organize and rise up to whoop that ass!!!!!!!
I used to watch Law & order, until NOW...
Haters: F.T.F.O.!!!!!!!
Homies: MMFCL4EVA....Whoot Whoot!!!!!!
Mizter X.
That episode of Law and Order was pretty offensive. Hate to break it to the producers, but the vast majority of juggalos aren't homicidal maniacs. As a juggalette, I'm proud to be part of a diverse group of individuals that defy what society calls normal and acceptable. We're a big family of people who have a lot of things in common. As for the haters on here that state that juggalos aren't educated, I hate to say that you're incorrect. I'm graduating from high school this June as part of the National Honor Society with a 3.2 GPA. I'm going to college in the fall of this year. I have a job and I pay my own bills. Juggalos aren't the ignorant jerks you make us out to be. I suggest that you learn what I was taught in preschool; if you can't say something nice, don't say it at all. Whoop Whoop!
Emily Quitadamo
This goes out to all the clown haters out there. If any of you watch horror movies then what is wrong with Psychopathic's music? Their music is pretty much just a bunch of mini horror movie scenarios.
juggalo_jay_80
Look... I know that Juggalos have a horrible rep to all you people out there not happy with your own lives. In quite a few cases you are right. Within any group there is going to be some people that make the whole group look horrible. Those people also happen to be the ones that make the news. So anyone's outlook can be very skewed just because of what they have seen. Take Violent J's lyrics into consideration for just a moment "Let our music do the killing for you, you'll be alright." The music is about letting your anger out through music instead of holding it in and exploding. If your outlook hasn't been altered at all I will give you a small description of myself. I am a 21 year old Juggalo, never been to jail, graduated with a 4.0 and am shipping off to the navy July 21st to be a part of the nuclear program (which is the top 3% of the navy). So for future reference, try to make sure that you don't narrow your mind too much. Oh, and don't judge an entire group because of the actions of the select few.
Ace
well then if any hater ever had an open mind they'd give the lyrics a chance n see its about punishing the wicked- child molestors, wife beaters, crooked preachers, greedy rich mofos who let the whole world die as long as they get their plasma screen and recognition. there are juggalos with Faith and some like the style of the shirts. a true juggalo/lette believes in him/herself and only wants everyone to accept them how they are or leave us the hell alone. there's a reason we underground n not in the damn industry! any way much clown love to true juggalos- we will never die alone!
mary j juggalette
@ Mizter X.
From my experience, the juggalo scene is not stronger than any scene around. Take a look at the punk, psychobilly, and underground rap scenes and compare them to your murder music based entirely on one huge testosterone trip. Put the clues together. Your music is about how hardcore you are, you intentionally try to scare other people, and your scene encourages backyard wrestling. Testosterone trip. Wear your face paint and tell an underground rapper or '84 punk that you're better than him. If you want violence to brag about in music, you'd recieve it without a qualm. :P
Scary Orc Creature
And one more. Listen to the song We Belong- Some of us Some of us are in love with people who ain't our's, and some of us won't give up until we're behind bars, and some of us MUST have been born to take the fall. But them some of us is equal us all.
Equality is a big part of being a Juggalo. So is equality a bad thing? I'm a geek, but I can stand with a Juggalo that's been raised in a geng-related setting, and STILL have common ground, and a friend I can count on. Can you say you'd feel comfortable around an ex-gang member? I can, and I do. Juggalo for life. Thanks for the time, hope I changed your mind.
Matt
What I don't understand is why Juggalos think they're so hood. Honestly, you wouldn't 20 minutes in a ghetto before someone kicked your ass and jacked your sh*t.
You all also wonder WHY L&O would choose to portray Juggalos as violent? Do you guys even listen to your own music? Maybe people who don't have "MCL" don't understand how kind and gentle all of you actually after hearing so much about murder, blood, and death described in grisly detail by ICP. Don't worry though! I understand you. See, I went though kinda the same thing: the first time I met my girlfriend's parents, all I talked about was murdering people. It took them a while, but eventually they learned that I was a nice person. At first those silly geese wouldn't even let me near their daughter! The strange thing is that my girlfriend's dad developed a drinking problem pretty soon after he realized he couldn't convince his daughter not to date me. That was probably for a completely unrelated reason though.
Stop being f*cking hypocrites and stop pretending like you don't care what people think. If you didn't care what people thought of you, I wouldn't have any cause to post this, would I? I hope all of your trailers catch on fire, c*ntknuckles.
MMFC... nah, jk Juggalos blow boat people
THY UNVEILING
Now we have been told this Carnival s**ts has touched on many lives.
People have f**kin' sworn to us they too can feel it inside.
What is it that draws you in, this magic that compels you?
We've been waiting six f**kin' Joker Cards to finally tell you.
The messages and hints were there, although most never picked up on them.
We snuck 'em in subliminally with that wicked s**t around them.
We mentioned more and more of this on every Joker's Card.
The bottom line always the same, you ain't have to look hard!
We wickedly kick it, inflict it, you get it,
Get with it and dig it we don't preach it flat out,
'Cause some ninjas don't wanna get with ya,
They quick to forget ya without the hatchet and gat out.
So we rose the hatchet, do or die, now Juggalos standing tall,
After all 6 have risen the end of time will consume us all.
It aint got nothing to do with us! It aint Psychopathic Records!
All we're doing is pointing s**t out to you, we in this together!
They're saying who's behind the Dark Carnival, the Gatherings and the Hatchet?
Who's beind Dark Lotus, the Circus and everybody at it?
Who inveted Juggalos and Juggalettes and f**kin Faygo showers?
What about that feeling you get when bumping our s**t,
Who's behind the Juggalo powers?
This ain`t no f**kin fan club, It aint about making a buck!
Don't buy our f**kin action figures bitch, I dont give a f**k!!
It aint About Violent J or Shaggy, the Butterfly or Seventeen.
When we speak of Shangri-La, what you think we mean?
Truth is we follow GOD!!!!
We've always been behind Him!
The Carnival is GOD and may all Juggalos find Him!!!! THY UNVEILING... F**k EVERYONE WHO THINK THEY KNOW WHAT THE JUGGLOS ARE ABOUT! YOUR RAP MUSIC IS ABOUT KILLING PEOPLE AND DISRPECTFUL TO WOMEN CALLING THEM BITCHES JUST THE SAME.. YOU JUST THINK YOUR BETTER BECAUSE YOU CAME FROM SOME UPTOWN RICHY F**KIN TOWN OR SOME GANGSTER FROM THE GHETTO AND CANT ACCEPT ANYONE DIFFERENT.. THATS IS GREAT THING ABOUT BEING IN THE FAMILY IS THAT BOTH OF THOSE TYPES CAN STAND TOGETHER... QUOTE "WE WILL NEVER DIE ALONE!" WE DONT GO AND START TALKIN SH** ON MUSIC OR GROUPS YOU LIKE, AND MAYBE YOU DONT UNDERSTAND WHY SOME JUGGLOS GET PISSED BECAUSE YOU HAVE NOTHING IN YOUR LIFE THAT IS WORTH A S**T TO YOU, YOU HAVE YOUR BORING MINDLESS JOB WHERE YOU ACT HAPPY AND YOUR WIFE THAT BITCHES AT YOU ALL DAY AND YOU JUST SMILE BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY YOU GOT NOTHIN THAT YOU FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT AND FOR THAT I FEEL SORRY FOR YOU. JUST GO TO A ICP CONCERT AND TELL ME IF THAT AINT FAMILY... I COULD GO UP TO ANY JUGGALO OR LETTE AND ASK THEM FOR THE SHIRT OFF THERE BAK AND THEY WOULD GIVE IT TO ME IF I NEEDED IT CUZ THATS WHAT FAMILY DOES! MCL I spoke my peace!
THYUNVEILING
everybody failin here except :
Mel-T.y.T.-Emily Quitadamo-Ace
WOOP! WOOP!
Juggal_Omar
whoop whoop. i love juggalo family, there will never be any1 like us. we love family. dont care what every1 else says. ill always be there for fam and any1 down for fam. we are the weirdos, the outcasts, the freakshows, but we love it. and nobody can make us feel bad for it. i am a juggalette and so proud. nobodys every gonna take that away from me. read my lips haters WHOOP WHOOP
Cotton Candy
Yo, you know all this entire thing is saying to me??? us juggalos need to create some F**king TV shows man. I mean all you guys have been talking about is how L&O is dissing on juggalos and what the "real" juggalo is. FaCE IT, there's no definition of a juggalo, i know black juggalos i know white juggalos and everything in between. I know people who came to be a juggalo because they were selling dope on a street corner at the age of 10, and i know people who came to be a juggalo because they were sheltered until they discovered how to say F**K YOU. Juggalos come from all walks of life and fancy in what they do, the difference between everybody else and us, is WE A FAMILY. If L&O wants to go onto TV and portray us like that, hey nobody said they didn't have the right to do so. And you know what? people ate it up and the advertisement actually grew the juggalo reputation. If we as the juggalo community came back with a TV show about us juggalos bashing peoples heads in and pulling out spines with a crowbar, what could anybody really say? it's no more brutal then L&O and what we are depicting is no worse. If they don't pull the episode of L&O, then they can't pull a Season of Killa Clowns: F**k The World
DCripJuggalo
There are a lot of as*holes on this forum that need to invest a bit of time in using the spell and grammar check functions on their computers. It's pretty ironic that most of the people I'm referring to are the dip-sh*t juggalos that claim to be such intelligent contributors to society. Way to go ladies and gentlemen. You crazy juggalos have proven your worth in today's modern world, yet again. Thank you.
Warden
yes, juggalos ARE murderers, when they wear their makeups in public, they cause people to laugh themselves to death!
Cleaver_Man
Seriously, I'm as nerdy as they get, I write stories, poetry, even working on a novel. I have a career as an electrician because it's what I'm good at, and writing on the side. I also play D&D, DDO, and LOTRO. I take pride in being a Juggalette, Pagan, Buddhist, and a Nerd. =x So get a life haters~ And why don't you prove your worth Warden, what do you do that's SO amazing? xD If WE all have to prove this to you, why don't you prove it~ Infact, why don't all of you prove what YOU contribute to society! xD Or can't you? x3 Bet you can't~!!
KottonTKandy
Well first i would like to mention this, Some people deal with the stress of dayly life a different way. Take juggalos for example alot of the time they listen to the music as a release. You can't say you never wanted to just slap the sh*t out of someone before. So instead of slapping the person there mad at they pop in a CD. Next, I would like to mention just because there is a few bad seeds doesn't make them all bad. No matter what you're going to get some fans that take things to seriously. It's doesn't matter what the contents of the lyrics are. For crying out loud Charles Manson used the Beatles to manipulate a bunch of teens into killing people. Last if this is such an old subject and you really don't care then why say anything? I will tell you why because you're a childish loser that sits in there mothers basment afraid of the outside world. If you don't like the music then don't bother talking about it, As simple as that why waste you're time talking about something you don't like?
Lilith
" Next, I would like to mention just because there is a few bad seeds doesn't make them all bad."
In the case of Juggalos, the inverse is true - there may be a few "normal" Juggalos, but by and large the stereotype of poor, white and ignorant fits.
Wiggermann
I dated a Juggalo for three years and was immersed in that culture. I felt like I was getting dumber by the minute. You say you have love? My ex considered himself the most "down a** Juggalo" around, but do you know what he would say when he came home from a show? I never ONCE heard him talk about how bada** the show was-only what a**hole he beat up because "the guy wasn't down enough to have the right to be there." At an ICP show at Red Rocks in CO a year or two ago, two Juggalos were STABBED! By another group of JUGGALOS!!! You call that LOVE?! I can readily admit that I know one or two Juggalos that have jobs and are good people, but all the rest I have met are drug peddling high school drop outs. Everyone has the right to express themselves and make music-but not everyone has the right to call it art, OR to claim to have any talent. I listen to Tool, a band that promotes self realization and evolution. Their lyrics are more complicated than "dead bitches suck a good dick." They write lyrics with the intention of changing FOR THE POSITIVE. And when I go to a Tool show, no one gets stabbed, everyone is friendly, and one time I even saw a guy there who I know for a fact HATES Tool. But you know what? I didn't come home and tell my Juggalo bf that he didn't have a right to be there. I told him how excited I was that he actually gave Tool a chance!!! This music does not only promote violence against bad people, it promotes violence against women in general. And to all you Juggalettes out there-you are only perpetuating and promoting violence against women. You make me ashamed. Not all of you are idiots, yes. Some of you have educations and all that, but the MAJORITY of you are total tools. Violent J didn't have some prophetic dream about a dark carnival. He and Shaggy knew they could make money off of shock value and that people would totally buy in to it-and you all did! Quit pretending this is art and call it what it is-a waste of time, space, air, YOU NAME IT!
Lateraluslindsey
Law & Order singled out fans of a music group and basically said they were all bad kids and bad people because of the music they listen to and because they have a name for themselves, Juggalos. Just because ICP raps about murder doesn't mean they go out and actually kill people. If they did, they'd obviously be serving a life sentence in jail. Everyone's so determined to make Juggalos look bad because, yeah, many of us are low class and live in trailer parks and dropped out of high school. But there's nothing legally wrong with that! It's the way some Juggalos choose to live. So what if we listen songs about murder and violence? There are TONS of bands and rappers especially who rap about that stuff and they have fans too. Why isn't anyone singling out the fans of those bands? Because they aren't a FAMILY. The Juggalos are a family and we're just trying to live. It is completely ridiculous and inappropriate for a widely viewed TV show like Law & Order to put something like this out, singling out a single group because they don't like the music we listen to.
Furthermore, any Juggalo that makes a decision to commit murder is a JUGGAHOE that gives us all a bad name, and it's understandable to hate that individual, but it's not alright to judge us all based on the actions of a few idiots out there.
More than half of all crimes in the U.S. are committed by blacks, does that mean we should all hate blacks? ABSOLUTELY NOT.
However, if more than half all crimes were committed by Juggalos, we'd be 1000 times more hated than we already are. But Juggalos commit a very, very comparatively small percent of those crimes, yet we are still subjected to your judgement.
By the way, I am a middle class 16 year old white girl and I fully intend to graduate from college. Not all Juggalos drop out. MMFWCL whoop whoop!
Twiztidlette
F**k all the haters you dont know sh*t about what your talking about.I have been a juggalo since i was fifteen and i dont do drugs(O and BTW marijuana isnt a drug)or drink and i manage a succesful business.I mean we are people to so if you want to judge all of us because of what some of us do then why not say all of mankind is bad because some humans are fu*ked in the head.So all you haters can eat sh*t and die as far as im concerned because you dont even know what your talking about.
Juggalo4life(Robert)
Im a juggalo and have my associates degree in psychology/counseling and criminal justice. Im currently furthering my education with getting my associates/bachelors in graphic design as well as my bachelors in psychology/counseling and 2 certificates one in child care and one in the medical field. Im happily married and have had the same job for 5 years now. Im not white trash, Im full blown Mexicana and proud of it. So to say we are all low lifes is wrong!
educated970lette
I'm a juggalo, I'm black, I have two cars, A house that I own, I work not only on my fathers ranch, but also as a Journyman Electrician. I am about to become a Master Electrician in a short time, have a beautiful wife who is a working juggalette. She is working for First National Bank. We also have a beautiful little juggalette due in two months. I also volenteer some of my time at the local boys and girls club, and food bank. So with all the good that my wife and I do are we still trash just because we are a juggalo and juggalette? Is humanity really so low as to judge someone on the kind of music they listen to? If so then I feel sorry for this world when the second coming of the lord happens. Sure there are a few of us that aren't the best in the world, but nine times out of ten when you meet a juggalo they are the poster child for a good citizen. Most of the juggalos and juggalettes I know have gone off to the millitary to searve this country, and what thanks do they get? They are called trash, psychopaths, and many other names. Think about it people. Are you really so low as to judge a whole group just on the actions of a few idiots? If so then you are honestly no better than the people who do all those horrable things.
Charles (Maniak Witch Doctor)
umm we are talking about law and order right okay well if any one knows anything i dont really think that ppl should be talking sh*t...i take pride in being part of the family...but if you guys really knew Ice T.....the one who plays in the show goes to the gatherings and supports juggalos, lets see there acctually alot of ppl that you wouldnt think that would go to the gatherings that do many high contributor to society go....maybe ppl should just be done with trying to diss us cuz its never going to bring us down....MMFCL!
monica