Any good sense look at Scientology shows you how they help individuals and communities. What is amazing is the amount of idiotic information complied by critics. Narconon shows a high success rate for people who finish the program. But critics quote a government study from years ago where only a small percent of the starters finished, and claim Narconon has a low success rate. Critics present evaluated information about the Church; you have to do a little exploration to understand the actual situation.

my operating thetan level is off the charts. l. ron hubbard aint got sh!t on me.

If your goal is to go into debt with nothing to show for it then $cientology is what you're looking for. They'll also alienate, and separate you from all your friends and family as an add bonus.

L Ron Hubbard was a douche bag of the highest order. I'll laugh in the face of anyone that says they follow $cientology.

Scientology is the fastest growing religion on earth today and I've personally seen the research and discoveries of Hubbard get hundreds of kids off of drugs and become productive members of the community. The misinformation and misconceptions about Scientology are spread by people that have either been thrown out for unethical behavior or simply are ignorant of what Scientology actually is.

these comments are scarier than the mystery about theresa duncan's last few months - the cult programming - repeated jargon, etc - exhibited in these posts is ALARMING

Actually, Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world today. Even if $cientology grew by 10% a year, it's coming off such a small base that the numbers are extremely small. In the UK, census results showed fewer than 300 $cientologists even though the

Some of you have demonstrated in your comments here that the years of religious hatred and intolerance did not end in the 40's when Hitler died as most of us had hoped. Scientology is a religion that supports social betterment groups like Narconon which helps drug addicts, Criminon which helps criminals, the Citizens Commission on Human Rights which helps patients who have been exploited in the medical industry, Applied Scholastics which helps people learn how to learn and read and write, as well as many other betterment groups. Some of us will continue to try to do our best to make the world a better place and you "haters" can find something else to do, like attack social betterment groups with your free time.

ChewyandBert
The misinformation and misconceptions about Scientology are spread by people that have either been thrown out for unethical behavior or simply are ignorant of what Scientology actually is.

The misconceptions and misinformation provided by people like you about Scientology,are either deluded and or brainwashed.Did you know L. Ron Hubbard?Were you in the Sea Org?
Check your facts!
Look on the internet,Operation Clambake,Lermanet.com.
Then we'll talk about ignorance

Would the Scientologists like to enlighten us on Lisa McPherson? Yeah, what a fantastic way to take care of people. Humanitarian religion of the century, here, folks.

I don't expect to turn the anti Scientology posters here.

But check your head. The lives of many Scientolgist are dedicated to improving conditions and yhry work hard at that each day. If you have the same credentials but differences in approach or method we can talk about working together to solve the problems we all share.

Otherwise you seem like a bunch of ranting malcontents looking to have some fun bashing on someone or something could be blacks, muslims, gays whatever. Makes you feel important like Bill O'reily or any other blowhole. Your only impressing yourselves.

The talk deriding beliefs means very little. Who can argue, that's why it's called belief.

Some of you zealots sound like Islamic Fundamentalist and honestly, you are dramatizing the same abberations whether you know it or not. Read or re-read the book (Dianetics) and make sure you look up any words that you don't understand.

Let's talk about actions first if you can pass muster there.

Write back.

Perhaps Scientologists aren't worried about establishing legitimacy, but rather are much more concerned with making a difference when societal values, ethics, and morals are progressively worsening and nuclear holocaust is only one push of a button away. Fortunately for us, those of you that have been brave enough to post your ignorance here for the world to view haven't yet figured out atomic fission. Beck and the noble Scientologists named above will continue to do what we can to help save our planet despite what obstacles stand in our way including petty efforts to discredit all progress we have made so far and the leaps and bounds of future progress we will make. The rest of you, please continue to stay on your computers and dream up conspiracy theories, just as long as you stay out of our way.

whoa. it's almost like people are getting paid to post on this topic...

Guy is dead serious. He's a true believer. Guy, do you work for the Office of Special Affairs? Do they ever let you leave, Guy? Do you know what happened to Mike Rinder? Your commanding officer split. No one knows where he is now, but one things for sure he escaped the Co$.

Obscurity is part of the $cientology business model. Their organization can't stand up to scrutiny, so the only way they can draw new victims into their cult is by keeping their doctrine--if you can call it that--secret. Which is what they've always fought to do.

Most people don't know what $cientology is because they've copyrighted all their texts, and they sue to keep it a secret. What other religions do you know of that hides their doctrine? It's a very weird stance for a "church" to take.

Guy, I can't discredit $cientology. You have to have credibility first for me to discredit you. L Ron Hubbard, Dianetics, and $cientology has never gotten past the quack label, that they so rightly deserve. It's you my friend that must sit and dream up stories in order to defend they indefensible.

hey Night Watchmen, you're "attacking, never defending" just like L Ron Hubbard ordered.

"Attackers are simply an anti-Scientology propaganda agency so far as we are concerned. They have proven they want no facts and will only lie no matter what they discover. So BANISH all ideas that any fair hearing is intended and start our attack with their first breath. Never wait. Never talk about us - only them. Use their blood, sex, crime to get headlines. Don't use us.

I speak from 15 years of experience in this There has never yet been an attacker who was not reeking with crime. All we had to do was look for it and murder would come out.

They fear our Meter. They fear freedom. They fear the way we are growing. Why?

Because they have too much to hide."

[Hubbard, "Attacks on Scientology", HCO Policy Letter of 15 Feb 1966]"

I hope your scieno-sitter software did'nt block you from reading that.

religion is fun.

-If you wanted to leave the Church, would they let you go unharassed? Or would they declare you a Suppressive Person?

-Why do you have software installed that blocks entheta material? If Scientology was so obviously correct, wouldn't it stand up to criticism? Don't they trust you to make up your own mind about it?

-Since your involvement with Scientology has started, has the amount of time you've spent devoted to the Church increased? Have you ever been encouraged to drop other activities in favor of Scientology activities? Have you ever lived with other Scientologists? Have you ever worked for Scientology? Are you paid less than minimum wage, do they garner your paycheck because of the high costs of Scientology courses, books, tapes, etc? If you're "downstat", are you punished?

--For the non-Scientologists that might think Scientology should be left alone on grounds of religious freedom, consider that none of the critics here have attacked the belief system of Scientology, only the practices of the Church. Anyone is free to believe whatever they want, but they are not free to DO whatever they want. Scientology engages in coercive thought reform tactics, abuses its members and convinces them that it's their own fault (see Ethics violations), extracts exorbitant amounts of money from its members, and sues and harasses anyone they deem to be an enemy of the church-- and that's a big list that includes ANYONE who has ANY critical thoughts about them. They are a criminal organization in the business of selling mental health, masquerading as a religion. It is their ACTIONS that are under scrutiny, not their beliefs.

-That said, most Scientologists are probably genuinely good people that want to do good in this world. Those that perpetrate the crimes of Scientology are also its victims. Fighting for human rights is a noble cause, but when the only way they know how to do that is to promote Scientology, you have to wonder about the actual roots of their fervor.

L. Ron is awesome. He can do it all. Wikipedia says he performed an abortion on his wife with a coat hanger, and lived off a diet of narcotic pills for three weeks.

I'm pretty sure none of us can do that, which is why we should follow the man's beliefs!

clearly the scientology wave has shoved aside what is important here - learning the specifics of jeremy blake's and theresa duncan's last months in los angeles.
beck may not be responsible for the deaths of these two kick ass artists, but if they were harrassed as they say they were - even if they exaggerated the threat and became paranoid as a result - then somebody IS.
and stalking, midnight phone calls, leaving dead cats on porches, etc is what scientologists call 'fair game' - it is not out of the question.
CONTINUE THE INVESTIGATION BLOGERATI

CCHR, Narcanon, Crimanon, Applied Scholastics......these are all businesses, whose primary goal is to feed troubled minds into the grasp of scientology and secondary goal is to make money while doing it. If the primary goal of Scientology is to "clear" the planet, then for the goal of any service, offshoot, program or other affiliated organization cannot exist in vacuum

Not one of these programs is offered free to the downtrodden, the poor, the impoverished, the starving, the sick, the homeless. Where is the charity? Do Scientology ethics dictate that only those who can pay should be cured from addiction? If the "Technology" truly worked as it is claimed what a great tool, provide every addict a cure for free to demonstrate the power of LRH "tech" and COS would surely have a flood of new members. But in reality the Church is only truly interested in those people susceptible enough to believe their hocus pocus who also have the ability to pay top dollar.......what a surprise?

Beck is not being truthful. Read this:
"Kate at Fishbowl L.A.
( http://tinyurl.com/23a5mj )
jumps today in the "controversy" around (formidable) singer Beck and the double suicide of refined blogger and muse Theresa Duncan and her artist companion Jeremy Blake."

"Before their tragic end, the couple had accused Beck of derailing their film in project "Alice Underground," in which the singer was supposed to make his movie debut in 2003 or 2004. The film was never made and Theresa Duncan was convinced that Scientology had intimidated Beck (an adept of the sect) to renounce participating in the movie.[..]
A January Vanity Fair article quoted in yesterday's New York Post, asks Beck for reaction: he says that he was never supposed to play in the film and says that the couple's version of the events is "totally false."

"But Kate dug up ... my 2003 blog archive, which has a mention of a Beck interview for the Italian daily Corriere Della Sera, in which he says that he's about to shoot a movie inspired by Alice in Wonderland. It sounds a lot like the Theresa Duncan movie that he doesn't remember today as an advanced project. Is Beck's memory a tad scrambled? Thanks to the very same Beck fan who had mentioned the article to me back then, I just recovered the original piece in the CdS archive. Here is the excerpt about the movie, which may interest experts in "Beckology" and "Duncanology," followed by my rough translation (I only took 3 years of Italian in high school, so any correction is very welcome)."
Beck: August 5, 2003 interview with Sandra Cesarale in Corriere della Sera

The 33 year-old Californian singer-songwriter is preparing his debut in cinema – but not until he's wrapped up his European tour [...]

Why are you going to act?
“I’ve always been tempted by cinema. There was a time, 7 years ago, when I tried to do something for the big screen. John Waters even tried to cast me once."

How did it go?
"I would have loved to accept, since Waters makes the kind of movies I love: they're free, intelligent, surreal. But I had to decline because of touring. Other offers turned out to be too Hollywoodian."

And Wim Wenders?
"I adore him. I don't know how many times I've watched Wings of Desire."

What about [your debut] movie?
“It will be full of energy and full of characters: some kind of Alice in Wonderland set in the 70s. It still doesn’t have a title. The director is a friend of mine and it will be her directorial debut. But I trust her. We will begin shooting in the Fall.”
http://tinyurl.com/ys7ude
http://www.emmanuelle.net/2007/12/a_propos_de_beck_et_alice_unde.html

As one commenter proved:"Beck doesn't have an entirely monogamous relationship with the truth, especially when it comes to his church."
http://www.pagesix.com/celebrities/Dennis+Dennehy
http://archive.salon.com/people/col/reit/2001/05/03/npthurs/index.html
http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?t=24267&postorder=asc

http://www.krqe.com/Global/story.asp?S=8710783

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