[more:]Prefix Magazine: How long did it take to record Summer in Abbadon?
Pinback: About three years. We have completely different ideas about what we like about anything. So we kind of just hammered it out. We just constantly have to kill each other's babies. It makes it tough, but we always end up with something that neither of us would have come up by ourselves. PM: How many different projects are you working on right now?
Pinback: I don't know. Way too much. Way too much. PM: Thingy is no more, right?
Pinback: That's no more, but I'm mixing the last record now. I just don't have the time to do it. PM: Do you listen to mostly rock music?
Pinback: I hardly listen to rock music at all. I try not to. PM: Do you listen to hip-hop?
Pinback: Yeah, but lately there hasn't been too many good hip-hop records. Jurassic 5 is still good. I haven't heard the new Roots, but I hear it's pretty good. De La Soul went a little too poppy for me. PM: The new one is pretty good though.
Pinback: I skimmed it. It wasn't too bad, though. I just wanted to hear the Flavor Flav song. PM: That song kind of annoyed me. I loved Public Enemy, but
Pinback: He needs someone to feed off of. PM: He's on that reality TV show.
Pinback: I haven't seen it. PM: Do you not watch a lot of TV?
Pinback: I watch a lot of movies and stuff. There's certain shows I love, but most of them aren't American. Like I love Spaced, Shaun of the Dead, League of Gentlemen, The Office. PM: Do you ever think about unplugging your TV or your computer?
Pinback: No. Life is too short not to enjoy good art. PM: How often do you read?
Pinback: Oh, all the time. Aside from comics, I read a lot. PM: I always figured most of your fans would be in their 20s, but then I read in some blog about a mom taking her son to one of your shows. What's your audience like?
Pinback: It's totally diverse. I'm really stoked on that because I have diverse taste and I like that there are people that are into diverse shit who like us. It's perfect for me, and I'm glad we don't have a niche because I never want have to fit in with anything. PM: What would you do if you guys became the next hipster band?
Pinback: The same thing we always do. Go home and play video games. [Laughs.] PM: You guys were featured on NPR. Do you think that may have led to a more diverse audience?
Pinback: I guess. I don't know how press exactly works. I like it much more when it's a situation like we have now, where it's a bunch of guys just talking and somebody happens to be recording it. If there were some other dudes that were into the same things, if they were here they could be like, "Dude, did you hear about this coming out on the DS?" And we'd be like, "No shit!" PM: You guys have had a lot weird press or promotions. Like that Urban Outfitters deal.
Pinback: I had nothing to do with that. But you'd be surprised. I've never been to Urban Outfitters. I can't afford that kind of stuff. PM: It's 'cause you spend so much money video games.
Pinback: I have no fashion sense. You'd be surprised how many e-mails I got that were like, "Hey, I'm just writing because I was at Urban Outfitters and they were playing your music and I asked them who it was and then I bought it and I was so happy." That's cool. That's a good story. But I just wish they were playing Dead Kennedys. PM: Bands would kill to get on that Urban Outfitters thing and then you have the Napster thing and NPR. You have a wide variety of press and it doesn't seem like you guys were really aiming to get any of that.
Pinback: I was really stoked on the NPR thing because I was a huge listener of NPR at work. I had this job and I liked how it was labor intensive. But I was around a lot of people that were into nu metal. What's that one dude with the curly hair that talks in the morning? PM: Howard Stern?
Pinback: Howard Stern. I would listen to NPR to counter it. I would listen to nothing but NPR and Beefheart the whole time I worked there. Over and over and over again. I made this cassette tape that on one side was Clash's Combat Rock and on the rest of that side and on the other side was all the dialogue from Taxi Driver. That was my big Taxi Driver tape. That's when I was quitting everything. I don't need alcohol. I don't need to actually eat anything. That review was done by this guy David Greenberger, who I was already a fan of. He has this thing called Duplex Planet that I'm a big fan of, and he was also in that Half Japanese documentary that I was really stoked on. PM: What was CMJ like for you last year?
Pinback: I didn't get to see anything I wanted to see. I missed Brian Wilson. I've been a Smile fan for a long time. PM: What did you get to check out?
Pinback: I got to see Lou Barlow. That was awesome. PM: Big Sebadoh fan?
Pinback: I love ninety percent of his work, and he's done a lot of shit. I have a majority of it, too, from Deep Wound on. I still listen to Deep Wound all the time. I just made this CD that's got Hot Snakes and Deep Wound. PM: What's your favorite Sebadoh album?
Pinback: They did this box set of seven-inches called Magic Ribbon. Their side of the seven-inch has like nine songs on it. I think that's my favorite thing because they had to cram like nine songs on one side of a seven-inch. PM: Damn. You're like a super fan.
Pinback: I'm a super geek. PM: I really liked Bakesale.
Pinback: That was their best rock album. PM: I really liked when Jason Lowenstein was still with them. I really liked what he added.
Pinback: Yeah, I did too. PM: You mentioned Hot Snakes. Are you friends with a lot of the other acts in the San Diego area: Liz Janes, the Castanets?
Pinback: How do you know those people? I know of those people, and they're my friends, but I don't listen to their music. It's funny to me. They have bands and you know them? I've known those people for a long time. Me and the main guy from the Castanets were in a hardcore band together. He left and then it kind of morphed into this other band Alphamales. I love playing in Alphamales. We've never played more than fifteen minutes. PM: Are you originally from San Diego?
Pinback: No, no. I'm from Jersey. PM: How did you get linked up with Absolutely Kosher?
Pinback: He lives in San Francisco. He just found me one day and we get along really well. I like that guy, Cory Brown. He's a good friend. It's rare that you can say that about a dude that runs a label that you're on, but he's a really good friend and I'm a big fan of the guy that runs Touch & Go. Touch & Go is the best label that ever was. I can go on and on about all the great shit they put out and how cool they are and just the way they deal with people. I'm just in awe that I have anything to do with those people. PM: Do you plan on staying in San Diego or do you think you'd ever come back to the East Coast.
Pinback: I wouldn't mind living in New Jersey because you could just live in the middle of the woods and play music as loud as you want. PM: How did you end up in San Diego. I don't really think of it as a big music scene.
Pinback: Well, back in the day.. PM: Rocket from the Crypt.