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White Denim: Fits

Ray Davies: The Kinks Choral Collection

Kam Moye: Splitting Image

Espers: III

Miles Benjamin Anthony Robinson: Summer of Fear

Various Artists: Daptone Gold

Mulatu Astatke: ew York – Addis – London: The Story of Ethio Jazz, 1965-1975

Tape Deck Mountain: Ghost

Christy&Emily: Superstition

Zo!: ...just visiting too

The Jesus Lizard: Goat [9.5]

CHLL PLL: Aggressively Humble [9.0]

Circulatory System: Signal Morning [9.0]

16 Horsepower: Secret South [9.0]

The Jesus Lizard: Liar [9.0]

Mulatu Astatke: ew York – Addis – London: The Story of Ethio Jazz, 1965-1975 [9.0]

The Reigning Sound: Love and Curses [5.0]

Raekwon: Only Built 4 Cuban Linx...Pt.2 [6.0]

Free Energy: Free Energy EP [8.5]

Arms: Kids Aflame [5.0]

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Small Black: "Pleasant Experience" (Live Video)

Mos Def, Ski: "Taxi," CreativeControl.tv Preview (Video)

KRS-One and Buckshot: "Survival Skills" (Video)

Lavender Diamond: "Like a Prayer" (Madonna Cover) (Video)

Moby: "One Time We Lived" (Video)

Frightened Rabbit: "Living in Colour" and "Nothing Like You" (Live on BBC) (MP3s)

The Avett Brothers: "Slight Figure of Speech" (Video)

Timbaland: "Morning After Dark" ft. SoShy & Nelly Furtado (Live on Conan) (Video)

Weezer: "(If You Are Wondering If I Want You To) I Want You To" f. Sara Bareilles (Live on Kimmel) (Video)

B.o.B.: "I Feed These Streets" (MP3 - Download) [10.0]

Alicia Keys: "Empire State of Mind 2" (MP3) f. Jay-Z [10.0]

Rodrigo y Gabriela: "Buster Voodoo" (Live on Ferguson) (Video) [10.0]

Michael Jackson: "This Is It" (MP3) [5.5]

Carl Sagan: "A Glorious Dawn" f. Stephen Hawkin (Video) [10.0]

Eminem: "Taking My Ball" (MP3) (NSFW) [10.0]

Mogwai: Burning (Film Trailer) (Video) [10.0]

Phoenix: "1901" (Live on Carson Daly) (Video) [10.0]

Britney Spears: "3" (MP3) [5.5]

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Wiz Khalifa: Deal or No Deal (November 24, 2009)

Various Artists: Daptone Gold (November 24, 2009)

Heavenly: Carpe Diem (November 24, 2009)

A.G., O.C.: Oasis: Together Brothers (November 24, 2009)

Glasses Malone: Beach Cruiser (November 24, 2009)

Miracle Condition: Miracle Condition (November 24, 2009)

Lady GaGa: The Fame: Monster (November 24, 2009)

: Light: On the South Side/Pepper's Jukebox (November 24, 2009) - preview

Susan Boyle: I Dreamed A Dream (November 24, 2009) - preview

Lil Jon: Crunk Rock (November 24, 2009) - preview

Underworld Vs. the Misterons: Athens (November 24, 2009)

Dark Funeral: Angelus Exuro Pro Eternus (November 24, 2009)

Tha Dogg Pound: That Was Then, This Is Now (November 25, 2009)

Birds and Batteries: Up to No Good (November 26, 2009)

Westlife: Where We Are (November 27, 2009)

Blakroc: Blakroc (November 27, 2009) - preview

V/A: ZEVOLUTION: Ze Records Re-Edited (November 27, 2009)

V/A: Kitsune Maison Compilation 8 (November 30, 2009)

Skillz: Infamous Quotes (December 01, 2009)

The Bravery: Stir the Blood (December 01, 2009) - preview

Juvenile: Cocky and Confident (December 01, 2009) - preview

Allison Iraheta: Just Like You (December 01, 2009)

Priscilla Renea: Jukebox (December 01, 2009)

R. Kelly: Untitled (December 01, 2009) - preview

We the Kid: Smile, Kid (December 03, 2009)

Josephine Foster: Graphic as a Star (December 07, 2009) - preview

Selena: La Reyna (December 07, 2009)

Buraka Som Sistema: Fabriclive 49 (December 07, 2009)

Yuuki Matthews: Music for Savage Tropical Imagery (December 08, 2009) - preview

Animal Collective: Fall Be Kind (December 08, 2009) - preview

Helado Negro: Music for Memory (December 08, 2009) - preview

B.G.: Too Hood 2 Be Hollywood (December 08, 2009)

Lowell Brams: Music for Insomnia (December 08, 2009) - preview

Timbaland: Shock Value 2 (December 08, 2009) - preview

Clipse: Till the Casket Drops (December 08, 2009) - preview

DOOM: Gazzillion Ear EP (December 08, 2009) - preview

Gucci Mane: The State vs. Radric Davis (December 08, 2009) - preview

Neil Young: Dreamin' Man Live '92 (December 08, 2009) - preview

Slum Village: Villa Manifesto Digital EP (December 08, 2009)

Trans Am: What Day Is It Tonight?: Trans Am Live 1993-2008 (December 08, 2009)

Chris Brown: Graffiti (December 08, 2009) - preview

Alicia Keys: The Element of Freedom (December 15, 2009) - preview

Robin Thicke: Sex Therapy (December 15, 2009)

Obie Trice: Special Reserve (December 15, 2009) - preview

Lil' Scrappy: Tha Grustle (December 15, 2009) - preview

Young Money: We Are Young Money (December 21, 2009) - preview

Eminem: Relapse Refill (December 21, 2009)

Lil Wayne: Rebirth (December 21, 2009) - preview

Usher: Raymond V. Raymond (December 21, 2009) - preview

Bone Thugs N Harmony: Uni5: The World’s Enemy (December 22, 2009) - preview

Mary J. Blige: Stronger With Each Tear (December 22, 2009) - preview

Kid Cudi: Cudder (December 28, 2009)

The Cool Kids: When Fish Ride Bicycles (2009) - preview

Omarion: The O's and the F's (Outstanded and the Failed) (2009)

One Republic: Today (2009)

Paradiso Girls: Crazy Horse (2009)

Paula DeAnda: Stunned (2009)

Playaz Circle: Flight 360 (2009)

Rich Boy: Buried Alive (2009) - preview

Ron Browz: EtherBoy (2009) - preview

The Dream: Love King (2009) - preview

Tina Parol: Shrinking Violet (2009)

T-Pain: UBER (2009) - preview

Nina Sky: Starting Today (2009) - preview

Ludacris: Cineplex (2009)

Birdman & Rick Ross: The H (2009) - preview

Chingy: Success and Failure (2009) - preview

David Banner: 13 (2009) - preview

Five Finger Death Punch: War Is the Answer (2009)

Frankie J: Time (2009)

Hurricane Chris: Unleashed (2009) - preview

Ja Rule: The Mirror Reloaded (2009)

Johnta Austin: Ocean Drive (2009)

Jojo: All I Want Is Everything (2009) - preview

OJ Da Juiceman: Six Rings: The Michael Jordan Edition Mixtape (December 29, 2009)

Juelz Santana: Born to Lose, Built to Win (2009) - preview

Lil Kim: Vintage (2009) - preview

Lil Wayne & T-Pain: He Rap, He Sang (2009) - preview

Yung Berg: The Love Project (2009)

Yung Joc: Grind Flu (2009) - preview

Toby Keith: American Ride (2009) - preview

Dru Hill: InDRUpendence Day (December 29, 2009) - preview

Jadyn Maria: Man's World (December 29, 2009)

Nipsey Hussle: Rich Rollin (2009)

Deadstar Assembly: Coat of Arms (2009)

OJ Da Juiceman: Orange (Gangsta Grillz/DJ Drama) (December 29, 2009)

Creed: Creed Live (DVD) (December 29, 2009)

Nick Lachey: Coming Up for Air (December 29, 2009)

Rich Boy: 5 Million (December 29, 2009)

RichGirl: RichGirl (December 29, 2009)

The Dream: Love vs. Money: The Hangover Edition (December 29, 2009)

Mistah FAB: Da Yellow Bus Rydah (December 29, 2009)

Mack Maine: Maine for President (2009)

Saves the Day: Daybreak (December 29, 2009)

DJ Khaled: Victory (December 29, 2009)

Sade: Love Supreme (2009) - preview

78Violet: 78Violet (December 29, 2009)

Havoc: From Now On (2009)

Snoop Dogg: Malice N Wonderland (December 29, 2009)

Ian Brown: My Way (2009) - preview

Freeway/Jake One: Stimulus Package (2009)

Vinnie Paz: The Assassin's Creed (2009)

Young Dro: R.I.P. (Mixtape) (2009)

Vakill: Armor of God (2009)

David Banner: Death Of A Pop Star (December 29, 2009)

Killer Mike: Anger & Ambition (Best of Killer Mike Mixtape) (2009)

OOIOO: Armonico Hewa (2009)

Trae: The Incredible Truth (2009)

Devendra Banhart: What Will We Be (2009) - preview

Young Dro: P.O.L.O. (Players Only Live Once) (2009) - preview

Serj Tankian: Elect the Dead Symphony (2009)

The Jesus Lizard: Down [reissue] (2009)

Cloven Hoof: Throne of Damnation (December 29, 2009)

Cam'ron: Killa Season 2 Soundtrack (2009)

Beastie Boys: Tadlock's Glasses (2009) - preview

Shawty Lo: I Am Carlos (2009)

M.O.P.: The Foundation (2009) - preview

Rick Ross: Before I Self Destruct (2009)

Snoop Dogg: Malice N Wonderland (2009)

Fern Knight: Castings (2009)

Eve: Flirt (2009) - preview

Shrinebuilder: Shrinebuilder (2009) - preview

Death Cab for Cutie: The Open Door (2009) - preview

Patrick Wolf: The Conquerer (2009) - preview

Olivia Tremor Control: Dusk at Cubist Castle [vinyl reissue] (2009)

Olivia Tremor Control: Black Foliage [vinyl reissue] (2009) - preview

CHLL PLL: Aggressively Humble (2009) - preview

Yung Joc: Mr. Robinson's Neighborhood (2009) - preview

Young Buck: Back on My Buck Shit (2009) - preview

Damian Marley, Nas: Distant Relatives (2009) - preview

Chip Tha Ripper, Kid Cudi: The Almighty Gloryus (2009)

Lupe Fiasco: Lasers (2009) - preview

Ludacris and Shawnna: Battle of the Sexes (2009) - preview

Cormega: Born and Raised (2009)

Charlotte Hatherley: New Worlds (2009) - preview

Kat DeLuna: Iniside Out (2009)

Carolyn Mark with NQ Arbuckle: Let's Just Stay Here (2009) - preview

Tiffany Evans: Ponytail Crush (2009) - preview

Faryl Smith: Wonderland (2009)

Prince: Lotus Flower (2009) - preview

Prince: MPLSOUND (2009) - preview

The Jesus Lizard: Goat [reissue] (2009)

Erykah Badu: New Amerykah Part Two (Return of the Ankh) (2009) - preview

D-Block: Prepare for Glory (2009)

Lupe Fiasco: LupE.N.D. (2009) - preview

Dr. Dre: Detox (2009) - preview

Consequence: Cons TV (2009) - preview

Dead Meadow: Peel Session (2009) - preview

D'Angelo: James River (2009) - preview

Lil Wayne & Juelz Santana: I Can't Feel My Face (2009) - preview

Raekwon and Ill Bill: Weed vs Cocaine (2009)

Lil Wayne: Tha Carter 4 (2009) - preview

Saigon: The Greatest Story Never Told (2009) - preview

Plush: Bright Penny (2009) - preview

Rihanna: Dark Angels (2009) - preview

John Fogerty: The Return of the Blue Ridge Rangers (2009) - preview

Jesse Rose: What Do You Do If You Don't (2009) - preview

Gentleman Reg: Jet Black (2009)

MF Doom: Born Into This (2009) - preview

Third Eye Blind: Ursula Minor (2009) - preview

Dolla: A Dolla And A Dream (2009)

Joe Budden: Mood Muzik 4 (2009)

Tego Calderon: Mr. T (December 29, 2009)

Joell Ortiz: The Free Agent (2009) - preview

Nipsey Hussle: South Central State Of Mind (2009)

Method Man: Crystal Meth (2009)

Zak Sally: Fear of Song (2009) - preview

Red Cafe: The Shakedown (2009)

R.E.M.: R.E.M. Live at the Olympia (2009) - preview

De La Soul: You're Welcome (2009) - preview

Why?: Eskimo Snow (2009) - preview

Estelle: All of Me (2009) - preview

Hatebreed: Hatebreed (2009) - preview

Plies: Goon Affiliated (2009) - preview

Deftones: Eros (2009) - preview

Phish: Joy (2009) - preview

Adam Lambert: On With the Show (2009)

Tim McGraw: Southern Voice (2009)

T.I.: Paper Trail: Case Closed (2009) - preview

Tyga: The Introduction (2009)

Crash Test Dummies: Ooh La La (December 29, 2009)

Jadakiss: Kiss My Converse (2009)

Nickelus F: Rare (Portishead Remixes) (2009)

Royce Da 5'9": Bar Exam 3 (2009)

2 Pistols: Arrogant (2009) - preview

The Jesus Lizard: Pure [reissue] (2009)

The Jesus Lizard: Liar [reissue] (2009)

The Willowz: Everyone (2009) - preview

Little Brother: Leftback EP (2009) - preview

Gary Lightbody: Tired Pony (2009) - preview

Chingy: 1st Quarter (2009)

Gary Lightbody: Listen Tank (2009) - preview

The Jesus Lizard: Head [reissue] (2009)

The Very Best: Warm Heart of Africa (2009) - preview

Obie Trice: Bottom's Up (2009)

Architecture in Helsinki: Vision Revision (December 31, 2009) - preview

Chamillionaire: Venom (December 31, 2009) - preview

Katharine McPhee: Unbroken (2010)

The Red Krayloa with Art & Language: Five American Portraits (January 09, 2010)

Delphic: Acolyte (January 11, 2010)

Heidi Montag: Superficial (January 12, 2010)

Omarion: Ollusion (January 12, 2010)

Vampire Weekend: Contra (January 12, 2010) - preview

Final Fantasy: Heartland (January 12, 2010) - preview

OK Go: Of the Blue Colour of the Sky (January 12, 2010) - preview

AM Conspiracy: AM Conspiracy (January 12, 2010)

Malakai: Ugly Side Of Love (January 12, 2010) - preview

V/A: Elevator Music, Vol. 1 (January 18, 2010)

Cold War Kids: Behave Yourself (January 19, 2010)

Motion City Soundtrack: My Dinosaur Life (January 19, 2010)

Surfer Blood: Astro Coast (January 19, 2010) - preview

Eels: End Times (January 19, 2010) - preview

The Sigh: Scenes From Hell (January 19, 2010)

Charlotte Gainsbourg: IRM (January 19, 2010) - preview

Missy Elliott: Block Party (January 19, 2010) - preview

RJD2: The Colossus (January 19, 2010)

Hadouken!: For the Masses (January 25, 2010)

Orphaned Land: The Never Ending Way of ORWarriOr (January 25, 2010)

Jennifer Lopez: Love? (January 26, 2010) - preview

Retribution Gospel Choir: 2 (January 26, 2010)

Everybody Was in the French Resistance...Now: Fixin' the Charts (January 26, 2010)

Spoon: Transference (January 26, 2010) - preview

Los Campesinos!: Romance Is Boring (January 26, 2010) - preview

Finntroll: Mot skuggornas värld (January 26, 2010)

Day of Fire: Losing All (January 26, 2010)

Elastic No-No Band: Fustercluck!!! (January 26, 2010)

Basia Bulat: Heart of My Own (January 26, 2010)

V/A: Casual Victim Pile: Austin 2010 (January 26, 2010)

Fucked Up: Couple Tracks (January 26, 2010) - preview

Beach House: Teen Dream (January 26, 2010) - preview

Four Tet: There Is Love in You (January 26, 2010) - preview

Nevermore: The Obsidian Conspiracy (January 26, 2010)

Magnetic Fields: Realism (January 26, 2010) - preview

The Album Leaf: A Chorus of Storytellers (February 02, 2010)

These New Puritans: Hidden (February 02, 2010)

Pierced Arrows: Descending Shadows (February 02, 2010)

Midlake: The Courage of Others (February 02, 2010)

Lifehouse: Smoke and Mirrors (February 02, 2010)

Lightspeed Champion: Life Is Sweet! Nice To Meet You (February 02, 2010)

Hot Chip: One Life Stand (February 09, 2010)

Yeasayer: Odd Blood (February 09, 2010) - preview

Fear Factory: Mechanize (February 09, 2010)

Angels & Airwaves: Love (February 14, 2010) - preview

Drake: Thank Me Later (February 14, 2010) - preview

The Game: The R.E.D. Album (February 16, 2010) - preview

Freeway: The Stimulus Package (February 16, 2010)

Borknagar: Universal (February 22, 2010)

The Radio Dept.: Clinging to a Scheme (February 23, 2010)

The Strange Boys: Be Brave (February 23, 2010)

Kidz In The Hall: Land of Make Believe (February 23, 2010) - preview

The Streets: Computers And Blues (February 23, 2010) - preview

The Ruby Suns: Fight Softly (March 02, 2010) - preview

Sugababes: Sweet 7 (March 08, 2010)

The Dillinger Escape Plan: Option Paralysis (March 23, 2010)

Melissa Etheridge: Fearless Love (March 30, 2010) - preview

Trina: Amazin' (March 30, 2010)

Diddy: Last Train to Paris (2010) - preview

Blunt Mechanic: World Record (April 27, 2010) - preview

Tupac Shakur: Shakurspeare (June 16, 2010)

Jack Rose: Luck in the Valley (2010) - preview

Matthew Herbert: One Pig (2010) - preview

Joe Budden: The Great Escape (2010) - preview

Christina Milian: Elope (2010) - preview

Busta Rhymes: The Chemo (2010)

The Fall: Our Future - Your Clutter (2010)

Depeche Mode: Recording the Universe (December 28, 2010)

Bishop Lamont: The Reformation (2010)

Jagged Edge: The Remedy (2010)

Redman: Reggie Noble 9 1/2 (2010)

Royksopp: Senior (December 28, 2010)

John Mellencamp: On the Rural Route 7609 (December 28, 2010)

Goapele: Milk & Honey (2010)

Nelly: Nelly (December 28, 2010)

Rick Ross: Teflon Don (2010) - preview

The Lox: New L.O.X Order (2010)

Delays: Star Tiger, Star Ariel (2010)

John Mellencamp: No Better Than This (December 28, 2010)

Hole: Nobody's Daughter (2010) - preview

Young Jeezy: Thug Motivation 103 (2010) - preview

Christina Aguilera: Light and Darkness (2010) - preview

Tank: Sex Love & Pain II: The All Night Experience (2010)

DOOM, Ghostface: Swift & Changeable (December 28, 2010)

Wintersun: Time (December 28, 2010)

U2: Songs Of Ascent (2010) - preview

DMX: You'll Fly with Me Later (2010)

Bun B: Trill O.G. (2010)

Swizz Beatz: Life After the Party (2010)

DMX: Walk With Me Now (December 28, 2010)

Massive Attack: Weather Underground (2010)

Tarja: What Lies Beneath (December 28, 2010)

Eminem: Relapse 2 (2010) - preview

Pac Div: Grown Kid Syndrome (2010)

Slash: Slash & Friends (2010)

Jadakiss: Top Five, Dead or Alive (2010)

Big Boi: Sir Luscious Leftfoot ... Son of Chico Dusty (2010) - preview

Cassie: Electro Love (2010) - preview

Guilty Simpson, Madlib: O.J. Simpson (2010)

Random Axe: Random Axe (2010)

Monica: Still Standing (2010)

Beastie Boys: Hot Sauce Committee Part 1 (2010) - preview

The Roots: How I Got Over (2010) - preview

Good Charlotte: Cardiology (2010) - preview

Jojo: All I Want Is Everything (December 28, 2010)

Common: The Believer (December 28, 2010) - preview

Deltron 3030: Deltron Event II (December 28, 2010)

Necro: Die! (December 28, 2010)

Lil Fate: Do You Believe in Fate (December 28, 2010)

Janelle Monae: The Ark Android (December 28, 2010)

N.E.R.D.: Instant Gratification (2010) - preview

Maria Lawson: Emotional Rollercoaster (December 28, 2010)

Eluveitie: Everything Remains as It Never Was (2010)

Of Montreal: False Priest (2010)

Wiz Khalifa: First Flight (December 28, 2010)

MGMT: Congratulations (December 28, 2010)

Chilli: Bi-Polar (December 28, 2010)

Foxy Brown: Black Roses (December 28, 2010)

Achozen: Achozen (December 28, 2010)

Wang Chung: Abducted by the 80s (December 28, 2010)

Center Edge Territory: Center Edge Territory (December 28, 2010)

Liars: Sisterworld (December 28, 2010) - preview

David Banner: Mr. D Banner (December 28, 2010)

Trae: Tha Truth (2010)

Against Me!: White Crosses (2010) - preview

Devo: Fresh (2010) - preview

Lemar: Greatest Hits (2010)

Peter Gabriel: I/O (2010)

The Whigs: In the Dark (December 28, 2010)

Fefe Dobson: Joy (2010)

Mark Morrison: King of British R&B - The Best of Mark Morrison (December 28, 2010)

Shontelle: Licky (2010)

Three 6 Mafia: Laws of Power (2010) - preview

School of Seven Bells: Disconnect From Desire (2010)

Ludacris: Ludaversal (2010) - preview

Tweet: Love, Tweet (2010)

Mark Morrison: I Am What I Am (2010)

Alter Bridge: Alter Bridge III (December 28, 2010)

Ricki-Lee Coulter: Hear No, See No, Speak No (2010)

Switchfoot: Vice Verses (December 28, 2010) - preview

Rob Zombie: Hellbilly Deluxe 2 (2010) - preview

David Byrne and Fatboy Slim: Here Lies Love (December 28, 2010) - preview

JJ Star: How Embarassing (December 28, 2010)

Mike Jones: Expect the Unexpected (December 28, 2010)

Slum Village: Villa Manifesto (2010)

Lostprophets: The Betrayed (December 28, 2010)

Lyrics Born: As U Were (December 28, 2010)

Evidence: Cats and Dogs (2010)

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